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Warbreaker Brandon Sanderson

Welcome back to the Warbreaker reread! Last week, Siri wandered the palace, wondering what to do with herself. This week, Vivenna enters T’Telir, responding to it much differently than Siri had.

This reread will contain spoilers for all of Warbreaker and any other Cosmere book that becomes relevant to the discussion. This is particularly likely to include Words of Radiance, due to certain crossover characters. The index for this reread can be found here.

Click on through to join the discussion!

 

Chapter 9

Point of View: Vivenna
Setting: The Streets of T’Telir
Timing: The same day?

Take a Deep Breath

Vivenna observes the city of T’Telir with deep distaste, disguised as an elderly woman while she awaits Parlin’s return from the marketplace. Around her, the people, the animals, and even the statues all appear to be dressed or draped in bright colors; the style and brilliance of everything she sees offends her Idrian sensibilities. Parlin finally returns; he, too, is ill at ease in this strange city, but reports that there are many Idrians here.

Still mentally reviewing her lessons in economics and politics, Vivenna and Parlin make their way through the marketplace to a restaurant where they expect to meet Lemex, her father’s chief spy in T’Telir. By the time they are seated, Vivenna has so nearly lost her self-control that her hair has lightened significantly; Parlin is so uncomfortable that he needs to go back outside to recover.

As Vivenna considers her plans to rescue Siri, a man—clearly not Lemex—sits down at her table and begins talking to her. Another man, a colorful bird perched on the cudgel strapped to his back, sits down on the other side of her. The first man introduces himself as Denth and his companion as Tonk Fah, and explains that they are here to kill her.

Breathtaking

… She’d memorized maps, but they hadn’t prepared her for the sight, sound, scent, and colors of the city on market day. Even the livestock wore bright ribbons. Vivenna stood at the side of the road, stooped beside a building draped in flapping streamers. In front of her, a herdsman drove a small flock of sheep toward the market square. They had each been dyed a different color. Won’t that ruin the wool? Vivenna thought sourly. The different colors on the animals clashed so terribly that she had to look away.

Poor Siri, she thought. Caught up in all of this, locked in the Court of Gods, probably so overwhelmed that she can barely think. Vivenna had been trained to deal with the terrors of Hallandren. Though the colors sickened her, she had the fortitude to withstand them. How would little Siri manage?

Well, there’s the difference between our two princesses. I’ll just leave that there for now, and come back to it in a few minutes.

Local Color

Brandon’s annotations for Chapter 9 center on why Vivenna needs to be such a stick-in-the-mud, the contrast between the sisters, and Parlin’s lack of distinction as a character, despite a complete rewrite. I have to agree with his final paragraph on Parlin:

Reading through the book again, I still feel that Parlin just isn’t enough of a character. With the mercenaries there to dominate the scene, Parlin gets lost.

He really does, too. I can never quite tell if he’s an admirable guard, or a foolish hick, or some of each. There are times he really looks competent, thoughtful, and helpful. Then there are times he just looks… stupid, unaware that he’s out of his depth, and useless. If there were one character in Warbreaker that I’d love to see rewritten, I think it would be Parlin.

Snow White and Rose Red

A few chapters back, we saw Siri’s first response to T’Telir; now we see Vivenna’s. Both sisters feel overwhelmed, and both find their reaction shaped by their training and beliefs—which, as we readers know, are full of misinformation and misunderstanding. Both are fearful, and both bring to mind the daunting stories they’ve been told of this alien place. Laced through the fear, however, are the profound differences in their personalities.

Siri’s fear was mitigated by the fascination born of her typical impulsive eagerness and her delight in color. In order to control her fear, she deliberately focused on what she saw, noting the ways in which her observation belied what she’d been told.

Vivenna’s fear is compounded by revulsion. Everything she sees merely confirms her expectations, and the only way she reins in her fear is through the diligent practice of outward self-control. She spent her whole life preparing to come to this city, and part of that preparation was developing an iron discipline of her visible responses—a skill that would obviously be vital for someone whose hair color is liable to give away any weakness.

Sadly, that preparation appears not to have been aimed at becoming a queen who could bridge the gap between two mistrustful nations. It was all, every last bit, aimed at surviving in enemy territory. Had things gone as planned, Hallandren would never have been her home; it would always have been her place of exile and captivity, consoled only by a forlorn hope that her influence would reduce the damage to Idris when the inevitable war arrived. All in all, it seems that Siri’s lesson-avoidance techniques were better preparation than all of Vivenna’s careful study.

Where Siri kept seeing things to like, and had to be prompted to fear again by hordes of Lifeless and overbearing priests, Vivenna finds nothing to like at all. She despises the color, the style, the smell, the crowd… pretty much everything is abhorrent to her. Including, of course, the food. Ironically, while Vivenna worries about how poor Siri could possibly manage to deal with the terrors of Hallandren, her little sister handled it far better than she herself can possibly do.

It’s almost a relief when Denth throws her for a loop with that crack about being there to kill her.

Clashing Colors

There are a few positive results of Vivenna’s training, at least for the reader. Due to her studies, she’s able to recognize various foreigners in the city, feeding us snippets of information about the greater world of Nalthis beyond Idris and Hallandren. While much of it is relatively insignificant, it does have the effect of extending the world far beyond the shores of the Bright Sea and the mountains of Idris.

In Living Color

Although in context we don’t know this yet, we meet another of the Returned in this chapter—and, as it turns out, much more. Denth is posing here as a mercenary; in the next chapter he claims to have been hired by Dedelin’s agent Lemex. Later, we’ll learn that he was formerly known as Vara Treledees, and was one of the Five Scholars of ancient times. For now, he goes by the name of Denth, hanging around with an inarticulate bloke named Tonk Fah who carries a cudgel and a parrot. They both will Become Important, of course.

Background Color

In further foreshadowing, we see again the D’Denir Celabrin, the stone statues scattered throughout the city. I don’t recall that we ever learn a good reason for the people to dress them up in colorful clothing, but it’s mentioned repeatedly. According to the history—or mythology—of the time, the first thousand of the statues were commissioned by Peacegiver the Blessed at the end of the Manywar, and various of the Returned have added to the number around the city over the years. Presumably, the ones commissioned by the various Returned aren’t actually the same thing as the originals, though… right?

Exhale

It seems that the timeline isn’t terribly important in Warbreaker, at least not yet. I think we can safely assume that the back-and-forth POVs are roughly concurrent—i.e., this is likely taking place the same day as Siri’s exploration of the palace. But I don’t know for sure, and there’s not much to tell us.

Other items of note include the relationship between Parlin and Vivenna. She seems to know that he’s more or less in love with her, and is willing to make use of his loyalty as needed, without returning his affection. I’m not exactly critical of this; she was always “destined” to marry the God King of Hallandren, so it would be stupid (and annoying) for her to let herself fall in love with anyone. If anything, it’s foolish of Parlin to indulge in such hopes, because Vivenna is far too dedicated to her duty to endanger her end game this way. On the other hand, there’s a nasty little twist included:

During their youth, he’d often brought her gifts from the forest. Usually, those had taken the form of some animal he’d killed.

To Parlin’s mind, nothing showed affection like a hunk of something dead and bleeding on the table.

This is one of the snippets that make me see both Parlin and Vivenna in a negative light. Parlin sounds rather like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. Does he use antlers in all of his decorating, too? Now I have nothing against antlers, or hunting in general. (As I sit here typing, in fact, I can look up at a lovely trophy set of deer antlers my dad got in 1943 and bequeathed to my children. It’s been nicely mounted, and it suits the room rather well.) I think what gives this moment its tone is the unavoidable sneer in Vivenna’s thoughts—“a hunk of something dead and bleeding on the table.” I don’t know if, in writing this, Sanderson really intended for us to read Vivenna as considering Parlin to merely be a useful tool, but it sure comes across that way.

I could wish it didn’t. There’s a lot about Vivenna that I like, and even more with which I can empathize. But not this part. Parlin has stayed with her out of loyalty and some amount of affection; it seems to me that returning his loyalty, if not his affection, is the least she could do if she’s going to keep him around like this.

In other news, Vivenna has the same reaction to the fashionable women’s clothing as Siri did, except that she doesn’t have the mortifying constraint of being required to wear it. (Not yet, anyway!) Also, there are a lot of Idrians in the city. For now, it’s just an odd note, but it will become Significant soon enough.

 

Well, that’s it for the blog; now for a little housekeeping:

Yes, this chapter would combine well with the following chapter. No, it’s not going to happen this week. See, you could either have one post this week with two chapters, and then nothing until January, or you could have one this week, one next week, and maybe even one the following week (if I can get it together before the deadline), each with one chapter. Executive decision wins; you get one chapter each week instead of one big post and a three-week wait. On the bright side, it doesn’t look like the Oathbringer beta read will come along and sidetrack me from even getting the two holiday posts written, as I was afraid it might.

Join us now in the comments, and then come back week, when we will cover Chapter 10, in which Vivenna copes with mercenaries… after a fashion, anyway. Or they cope with her.

Alice Arneson is a SAHM, blogger, beta reader, and multi-genre literature fan. Now that the first draft of Oathbringer is finished, she eagerly awaits the launch of beta reading early next year. Yippee!

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8 years ago

Compare Siri sending her escort home to Vivenna hanging on to (and dooming) Parlin. The author is really contrasting the heck out of the sisters.

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8 years ago

I think Parlin is both hick and loyal guard; doing the best he can in a situation that is way over his head. I definitely did not get a “Gaston” vibe from him but I agree with your take on Vivenna.  Perhaps it’s understandable – as a future ruler and leader who knows (she thinks) her destined marriage, she can’t indulge in romantic fantasies (not that I get the impression Parlin would really be her type, anyway), and if something needs to be done, she will see it done using whatever tools she needs to use.  But in a good, mature leader that is tempered by a true respect and if not affection, at least gratitude for, the ‘tools’ and recognition of their worth/value as people.  She’s not there yet.

Definitely a good call on the way Vivenna/Siri’s personalities and training have shaped their response to the city. I don’t think the concept of being a bridge between two cultures was even something that was considered in Vivenna’s training.

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8 years ago

Not really relevant to the chapter, but since you brought it up…I really dislike that Denth’s real name is VaraTreledees.  One Steve Limit is a trope for a reason – when you see two characters with matching names, you expect a connection, and AFAIK there isn’t one between Denth and Treledees.

If we were getting a Nalthian sequel anytime soon that might expand such a connection, I might be less eyerolly about it, but it’s been a long damn time.

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8 years ago

I kinda like Parlin. I like how ordinary and confused his reaction to the city is. Both the princesses are extraordinary and have extraordinary responses to the strangeness around them. Parlin just tries to get along and succeeds in some ways and not in others. True, he’s a little out of place in this narrative but he gives a good contrast to the extremes shown by the princesses.

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8 years ago

– I had the same thought.  Is there anything in the annotations that mentions the reason for the shared name, or is it just one of those things? Did he just do it on accident, or on purpose (even if it means nothing, just to create a sense of ‘realism’).

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8 years ago

I read somewhere ( I am unsure where) that Warbreaker was supposed to be Vivenna’s story, not Siri. But, the readers’ reaction to Vivenna were not as expected, i.e., many found her annoying (I do). In this re-read. I realize now why I find her annoying or unlikable. Vivenna is so rigid! She adapts so slowly.She is so prejudiced against Hallandren that she sees nothing else. 

I don’t dislike Vivenna, I just find her annoying. And I hope that in the sequel for Warbreaker, she finally gets to redeem herself. :-)

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Landis963
8 years ago

8. Warbreaker is about Vivenna growing out of her kneejerk reactions, so in that sense it is “her” story.  However, those same kneejerk reactions keep her from growing, learning, or changing – until Vasher arrives with his clue-by-four.  (And speaking as someone who distrusted the mercenaries from the word go and who held – continues to hold, really – Princess Vivenna in contempt, her chapters were exercises in frustration)  

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8 years ago

Treledees could be a descendant of Denth (did he have children before his death/return?) or a relative (now gods aren’t supposed to know who their family are, but at the time of the Scholars it might have been different). Or someone named their family after the Scholar without being related.

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8 years ago

@10 totally!  He definitely could!  Those are both cool thoughts!

And they get zero screentime.  It’s not even brought up in the commentary to my recollection.  Why make such an obvious connection between two characters and then do nothing with it? 

Especially since the reveal of VaraTreledees’ name is, IIRC, when Vivenna is carrying Nightblood into the palace during the leadup to the climax, when we still think Treledees is the main villain. 

I’m getting flashbacks to Mark Evans, is what I’m saying.

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8 years ago

I see Vivenna’s reaction to Parlin less as seeing him as a Gaston than as the reaction of the owner of a friendly puppy that keeps bringing home dead rats and expecting to be praised for it. “Oh great, another carcass. And now there’s congealed blood all over the doorstep. Yes, good boy, Parlin, well done.”

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8 years ago

@11 – LOL on the Mark Evans reference.  Fun times.

@12 – I got the same impression. Not a Gaston (ew, that arrogant brute) reaction but more just a kind of condescending ‘what a rube’ kind of reaction.

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8 years ago

@12 – yes, that’s pretty much the same line of thinking I got, too – more of a nuisance to be tolerated, and maybe deal with later. I suspect she thinks like this because she knows that A) it would never have worked out between them anyways, and B) even if it COULD have worked out, she was to be shipped off and married to someone else. As to the rest of the chapter, I really liked the contrast between the sisters, since it gives two perspectives of the same city. A point that has not been mentioned is that in Siri’s case, she was hustled through the city, and didn’t get to see as much of it up front as Vivenna. True, she still got see how colourful and big it was, but she was also in a carriage the whole time with an armed escort. Vivenna got immersed in the city and its people, which is a very different experience altogether. I wonder how Siri would have reacted if she was in the same situation…

goldeyeliner
8 years ago

This is why I have issues with Vivenna (especially at the beginning of the book) “Poor Siri, she thought. Caught up in all of this, locked in the Court of Gods, probably so overwhelmed that she can barely think.”  

So sure she knows what Siri is going thru, so sure she knows best, when really she doesn’t know her sister at all.

I have this irritation, yet I know (as the younger sister) it is a very realistic attitude. My sister, to this day, thinks that when I don’t see things at she does that I’m being “rode roughshod over” by others because it’s just not possible that my views are different than hers. 

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8 years ago

Thanks for another great post, Alice, and for the update on the schedule.

One of the reasons that Denth and Tonk Fah make such terrifying villains is that they’re so likable. I enjoyed their humour throughout the early parts of the book, and I was almost as surprised as Vivenna when they turned against her.

I also appreciated the sharp contrast between Vivenna’s and Siri’s first reactions to the city. Vivenna truly did see herself as going into enemy territory, which I think is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Siri’s openness to change and adaptability are far more conducive to actually bringing unity to the different countries.

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8 years ago

Not much to add – but I will say that I read the myth of additions to the statues as just that myths of origination. It seems more like, especially since Vasher at the end has the passwords to activate all of them that he placed all of them. Just my 2 cents 

goldeyeliner
8 years ago

@17 Since by the end we learn that Vasher changed his name a lot.. I just figured any additions were made by him, under a different name.

 

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Ellen
8 years ago

It’s actually pretty common for people to paint statues. The Romans did. We just tend to think they didn’t because all the paint wore off the great works we’re familiar with. I know Roman women would sometimes have busts of them carved bald so they could be decorated with wigs, keeping the hairstyles up to date, though I don’t know about robes.

I sort of relate to Vivenna being overwhelmed. It happened to me when I was back in a city I knew perfectly well but hadn’t been to for years. I also had a case of jet lag and had a headache coming on. Still, I remember being in a familiar shopping area and being overwhelmed. I specifically found myself thinking there was too much color.

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HavoKinetic
8 years ago

@15 I can’t speak as a younger sister, but I don’t see Vivenna’s fears for Siri here as her thinking she knows best. Siri is locked in the Court of Gods, and is a bit weirded out that she won’t have the freedom to leave. Siri is so overwhelmed she can’t think, or Siri’s version of that which is to go through about 5 thoughts in a moment. Just not overwhelmed the way Vivenna is. And Siri is in a danger that she’s less prepared for than Vivenna, even though we know Siri is actually better equipped. Of course, Vivenna is in some danger here too.

Vivenna is failing a bit here in the whole Idrian “treat servants as (ya know) people” thing, juxtaposed against how we noted Siri’s sympathy for the servants in the Palace.

I think if Vivenna was written as just the slightest bit more sympathetic towards and less utilitarian towards Parlin, we would like her better. Just a little “and before Vivenna had understood the myriad ways it would be impossible, she had harbored some affection for Parlin too” (except written like a professional author) would do a lot, and wouldn’t have to throw the plot in to a “will they, won’t they”.

I like that even though politically they’re pawns (or Vessels), literarily they’re actual characters and not just walking love objects, but that little bit of humanization might take away some of Vivenna’s stick-in-the-mud-ness, which is now totally a word.

Anyone else see a little Sixth of the Dusk in Tonk Fah?

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Sarah
8 years ago

– I always assumed that Treledees was simply named after the old scholar. (For example, there are a few very minor characters in the second Mistborn trilogy that are named after main characters from the original trilogy, e.g., Valette.)

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8 years ago

Siri is the one whose story arc eventually irked me. Vivenna’s sections were dispiriting, but I had only sympathy and pity for her. She’s put through the mill, and I think she’s more transformed than Siri by the end. But her creator doesn’t think so. *shrug*

Royal locks aren’t nearly as bad as spren for someone striving to hide their emotions, but not enviable.

 

 

 

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8 years ago

Parlin bringing back dead animals and stuff made me think of a cat leaving dead mice for its human, rather than the Gaston vibe. So he seemed more like a pet trying to impress her, in that misguided way that cats sometimes do.

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8 years ago

@8:  I agree!  Rigid is the word.  Siri is open and curious and learns.  Vivenna is so closed, and just assumes what she was taught is the only truth.  I find her very annoying.  

goldeyeliner
8 years ago

@20 “Anyone else see a little Sixth of the Dusk in Tonk Fah?”

GAWD NO!

Joyspren
8 years ago

I found on my first read that I liked Siri more at the beginning, but by the end of the book I was much more in favor of Vivenna. It just takes her so dang long to open up! I think she learned some lessons really well at home (how to put up her guard, history, etc) but in that learning she took a little more of the Hallandren method of treating servants since she was extra special. Not to any extreme like how they expect Siri to behave in the Court, but she doesn’t treat Parlin as anything close to an equal or a childhood friend. It’s like the puppy analogy used above, only a little stronger. She doesn’t know what she’s got until it’s gone. 

Thanks for the update on the schedule. It’s like a Christmas present, having chapters over the holidays!

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8 years ago

@26 I couldn’t agree more! I found Vivenna particularly annoying as well right at the beginning, because she closes herself off from what she is experiencing as she was always taught it was evil and not to be trusted; I liked Siri more for a few reasons: 1) she was always more open to new experiences/learning, etc.- partially due to her rebellious nature; 2) I am the youngest of 4 children, so Vivenna’s attitude towards Siri also grated on me, particularly since my oldest sister could be that way with me ALOT, lol; and 3) because she is so flexible with her thinking, and doesn’t feel like she HAS to rely on what she was taught. But by the end, Vivenna has grown enough to let herself learn and not to let her expectations rule her thinking (as much), so I find she is a more sympathetic character by that point. As for poor Parlin, not much more to add – her attitude towards him seems very much like the owner of a tolerated cat who likes to “gift” dead mice, etc. I would have very much liked to have at least one POV from him, if for no other reason than to see Vivenna through someone else’s eyes.

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8 years ago

Off topic, but somebody else…coughAlicesnort…started it:  As much as I wouldn’t mind being a beta or, even a better fit, a gamma reader, I don’t mind waiting a little longer for the final, more polished version.  Early-version readers can’t discuss pertinent info with their reading buddies, and that would be an onerous burden for several months.  For me at least, YMMV.

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8 years ago

Re: Vivi and Parlin

I think Vivienna learned her Idrian lessons too well. Coupled with the fact that she had that pressure of being perfect from birth, it never occurred to her to see Parlin as anything other than a misguided yet loyal retainer. For Parlin’s part, I see him as a guy trying to court a woman outside his social class using methods that he is familiar with. His dad probably impressed his mother by showing her how well he could provide for her and their potential children. Growing up, he probably saw many examples of men courting women in the same fashion. He doesn’t know how to look attractive in a way Vivienna would find intriguing and since he knows as well as her that the exercise would be fruitless, never seeks to modify his approach. After all, if he were to make a serious try then one of two things will happen. She accepts his advances and replies in kind, someone finds out and he gets the axe for ruining an alliance with Haladrian. Or she regects his advances outright and she sends him away, thus denying him the privilege of remaining close to the woman he holds in highest regard. Better to be close to her even if she never gives him the time of day than to be driven from her service completely.

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8 years ago

Whereas I’m an eldest sister, and long struggled to accept that the brother who grew up alongside me is different from me in very many ways, inculing most likes and dislikes. Vivenna should perhaps have expected less similarity between herself and Siri, since they were deliberately treated differently while growing up, but she has heen given to believe that there is only one proper way to behave and only one reasonable response to things — e.g. feeling fear and revulsion toward something as strange and improper and dangerous as Hallendrin or the palace therein.

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8 years ago

(#30), it’s worth keeping in mind that although treated as adults, both Siri and Vivenna are quite young and were (without their actually knowing it) raised in a highly protected environment. Neither has ever been out of sight of their home town before, as far as I can tell.

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8 years ago

I like Vivenna. She starts off slow, locked into her cultural biases and unable to recognize the difference between actual truth and what she believes is true (which is probably common for all people), but she has some rude awakenings that show her that she doesn’t actually know what she thinks she does (or rather, that what she perceives as true is very much not), and she grows a lot from those realizations. I think she ends the book in a very good place.

I like Siri as well. Opposite problem – too curious and eager to learn to recognize that the things she’s learning are also shaded by lies, but that eagerness and openness is always something I love to see in people.

 

On Treledees: Remember that not everything that seems like it might be connected actually is, and neither is it wise to try to answer every single question. Much like the Ramblemen mentioned in the Chapter One annotations. The book would get very long and very boring if every little detail was explained at length and in depth. No thanks.

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7 years ago

@32 I totally agree with you about Vivenna. At this point in the story, I think she is tough to like, but her experiences made me feel empathy toward her, and by the end I liked where her character ended up.

@22 “She’s put through the mill, and I think she’s more transformed than Siri by the end. But her creator doesn’t think so. *shrug*”

When did Brandon say that he doesn’t think Vivenna transformed more than Siri? He says in the annotations for this chapter “For me, Vivenna is the most interesting character in the book. Yes, Lightsong was the most fun to write—but Vivenna is the one who has the most potential for growth and change.” I’m pretty sure that later on he talks about how much she changes. Ultimately, I agree with your opinion about Vivenna, though.